Nostrop
Hi,
If a person has an aim to become ultemetly rich ingame (IKS wise), what career would bring in the most ammount, if played equal time, and a person is good at what ever he is training for?
- mining?
- rat hunting / mission running ?
- production?
- any other?
Shanur
Mining, ratting and missioning can all be made very lucrative. However, in all cases for them to be the goldmines you want them to be, you will need to operate almost exclusively in 0.0 space where all the big rewards are. That means you have to join a corp to get any noteworthy efficiency.
FreeHansje
Gallente
Quote:...exclusively in 0.0 space where all the big rewards are
Quote:...exclusively in 0.0 space where all the big rewards areI respectfully disagree with this statement. It depends on many things. If you prefer soloplay, 0.0 is a risky territory to tread. I don't say it is not fun, but we're talking money now.
I presume you are solo-ing. So am I. The last 2 weeks I jumped from around 200mil capital to 500mil capital, while spending money like water, losing sometimes 5 BS per week. This is all because of doing lvl 4 missions, 2 lvl4 agents in 1 system. I harvest dronemissions, which yield millions per run in minerals. The other missions(non-drone) yield bounties running in the millions and the occasional loot-drop which can be sold for millions.
Also, running lvl 4 missions give you lots of loyaltypoints and thus very nice offers from agents, which can be sold for money or used for your own good.
Now, these agents are situated in a sec .4 system. Low-sec, but not 0.0. Mind, low-sec can be less safe then 0.0, but in my experience missionrunners have not much to fear.
There is good money in mining, but again, if you play solo it can be risky, since most valuable ore is found in low-sec and 0.0. Becoming a trading tycoon is probably the most lucrative, but that is too much like work...
Ofcourse, the important question is unanswered: what do you consider good money..?
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FreeHansje
Yes, I'm a Newby. So sue me!
Shanur
The OP was asking for the absolute highest return on invested time. While level 4 agent missions and trading are definetely lucrative, they are not the best and fastest way to make money in EVE. For the most optimum gain you need to be in an extremely efficient corp, doing level 5 missions, deadspace complexes in -1 space and being involved in asteroid and moon mining.
Marine HK4861
Caldari
Seoltachd
Actually, the fastest way would be to sell GTC.
Best is debatable.
BlackJade
Gallente
Aliastra
So, what quality is your level 5 agent?
Seriously though, mining arkonor, bistot and, if you have access to it, mercoxit (rarest rock out there, requires specialisation in mining it). Refine a full jetcan of rocks into minerals, sell the high-ends in Empire, BAM, 20 mil richer
Missions are a decent income as well, but unless you have a good quality level 4 agent in lowsec/0.0, the profits pale in comparison to selling high-end minerals. Selling a faction battleship can turn you into a bilionaire as well
master bates
Amarr
Smoking Hillbillys
So, what quality is your level 5 agent?Seriously though, mining arkonor, bistot and, if you have access to it, mercoxit (rarest rock out there, requires specialisation in mining it). Refine a full jetcan of rocks into minerals, sell the high-ends in Empire, BAM, 20 mil richer
Missions are a decent income as well, but unless you have a good quality level 4 agent in lowsec/0.0, the profits pale in comparison to selling high-end minerals. Selling a faction battleship can turn you into a bilionaire as well
lvl5 missions dont even exist yet dudes so noone can make money running them 
personally i find 0.0 ratting to be the easiest way of making isk, 1.2mill bounties on battleships with the chance of a faction spawn with loot worth millions more 
most battleships spawn in groups of 2-3. there is the risk of a hostile gang jumping into system and finding you but if you have a lot of your alliance in system you can normally kick em out (with the possibility of killing them and collecting their tech 2 loot )
mission running in lvl4's is good money, not quite as near the amount made from 0.0 ratting yet you can stil make 15-20 mill easily per mission and on average a lvl4 would take about 30 minutes unless you are in your faction fitted raven
on a whole the ways of making money are balanced, if it favoured one particular kind of player then the other kinds of players would be petitioning all the time, find the way that suits you best and use that method.
personally i mission run atm to make isk but thats cause i am not in 0.0 currently (and also cause i want a navy apoc )
but as soon as 0.0 is available to the corp again i will be back there whoring belts every day.
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Luke Pubcrawler
It is relatively easy to build up a nice pile of starting capital and not get podded early. This is important as it lets you fit some implants without risk, accelerating learning. Might not be the best but it worked for me. Had I concentrated on this approach and not got sidetracked early in my career I would be much risher now. I enjoy variety in my game so mine, rat and run missions.
PVE in highsec to begin with - pick an npc organisation with lvl 3-4 courier agents and work for them until you get access to those lvl 4s. Do level 1 combat missions in a destroyer (you don't strictly need it but it does hack its way thro lvl 1s fast), lvl 2 combats in a cruiser (caracal if Caldari). If you have trained connections you won't need to fly many lvl 3s before being offered access to you lvl 4. Althugh you might need a BC for these you can decline the difficult ones if you dont find a lvl 3 courier agent. Do courier missions for this agent until you have a nice pile of capital and jump clone access. Every 16 courier missions is a +4 implant, so average msion reward is over million by the time you factor in the implant. In a fast industrial - I use a sigil+ expanders as needed+ nannos in remaining lows, you should average at leat 2-3 an hour.
Once you have access to Jump clones you can alternate between 0.0 ratting and Empire mission running with no real risk after the initial trip to 0.0. Use some of the capital acquired on your initial missions to help buy what you need in 0.0, dont risk running it our there from Empire. Being able to alternate alleviates the boredom of contiued mission running - time in 0.0 adds spice to the game.
In the month since I got both an Empire mission running position setup and a 0.0 ratting one my net worth has gone up over 250million.
Don't waste time travelling and ferrying ships around get ships setup for each clone body and activity.
I have a mining clone is in a 0.5 with good kernite and 3 ships prepositioned for him to use - Osprey, Hauler, Rat killing frigate; my mission running clone has a Raven, loot ship and fast hauler. Both these have decent implants for learning and dont leave highsec - ever. If I am offerred a lowsec mission I turn it down. My 0.0 ratting clone has a BC and an insta creating frigate sitting by him but almost no implants (+1 cost so little he does have them).
BlackJade
Gallente
Aliastra
Edited by: BlackJade on 24/10/2006 15:39:18
Dude, don't take this personal, but I HAVE to correct you here...
20 mil per mission? Are you sure you are playing Eve Online? 4-5 mil, WHEN YOU ARE LUCKY and don't farm the mission's respawns, is a more common number. Although if you include missions involving rogue drones, then you can indeed make something like 15 mil (They keep getting nerfed though. "Infiltrated Outposts" would net me 30 mil for the refined alloys. Farmed that one a lot... Good old days)
Have you ever visited these forums? Why the hell do you think people keep whining about T2 BPOs, the lottery, ore locations, etc etc. It's all totally "unfair", but that's what Eve is about
Jaxtet
I'm not even trying to get rich, I'm just trying to get started. I work full time and the skill system really lends itself to my ability to play. The design of that is fantastic. However, it doesn't help with ISK.
I've been playing over a month now with around 1 million SP on two different characters on two different accounts. I set up one as a miner, the other one as a mission runner. Eventually I think they will both be lucrative but right now, I'm in a rut :( Lvl 2 missions are a joke but I can't afford a BC or BS to do lvl 3 missions. My miner has a retreiver but I can't spend a ton of time mining so the ISK payout right now isn't all that great.
In essence, I'm scraping by. I have 10 mill ISK banked total and it will take me another couple of weeks before I can even afford a single battle cruiser to run lvl 3 missions in. I am *hoping* that lvl 3 missions will pay enough that I can sustain myself better.
Anyone have any ideas for me? I'm really getting discouraged right now and I can easily see my skills out pacing my ability to earn ISK. Shouldn't it be the other way around?
Vizgoth
Since you wanted to know the BEST way to get rich. It is running 4 accounts (or more) and mining in 0.0. With just mining with 4 accounts (2 barges, 1 tank, 1 hauler) I easily make 1 billion a week and that is only playing 3-4 hours a day on weekdays and maybe 5-6 hours on weekends. Now that billion a week is in minerals so you still have to haul them to empire and not get blown up
. This is also assuming you dont have too many hostiles on that week. I dont know many mission runners that could make 1 billion a week without playing 8+ hours a day.
Weeaboo
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Yea, it sucks having no cash at the beginning, you have to have SOME capital to invest before you start to earn more, whether it's in shares, trading, a combat ship for missions or a barge for mining.
I got lucky when I sold that damn +1 implant for 10 mil ISK when I finished the tutorial on my first character. Only much later in my playing carreer did I realize how lucky I was.
Anyway, try and get enough cash to get a battlecruiser - The Ferox, for example, is a GREAT ship for running lvl 3 security missions. LVL 1 and 2 missions really don't get you any cash, it starts to get lucrative at 3, lvl 4 missions get you the really good stuff, in terms of LP and ISK
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Letouk Mernel
Unfortunately, nope, it's not the other way around. The "grind" in this game is ISK, and ISK is the equivalent of your "level" in other MMOG's, simply because the more ISK you have, the better ships you fly, and thus you're "higher level".
The skills are the "anti-twinking" mechanism, whereby you cannot give an alt a lot of ISK and make him "high level" and able to fly battleships right off the bat.
If your skills outpace your ability to make ISK, you can stop training (train an alt?) or diversify into being able to do multiple things (fly multiple ships, do industry AND combat, etc).
I don't know about a battle cruiser, but when I come home from work, I set my industrial in a belt mining scordite (I've trained mining and astrogeology to 4, and industrial to 3), and go about doing stuff around the house, till later in the evening when I can play a bit. Income is about 10 mil a week, good enough for me since I can only fly cruisers at this point.
MrTripps
Gallente
A young character will have problems with ISK. At that age I think I was fighting NPCs in a frig and working towards lowsec. Hunting NPCs and selling the loot is a pretty good way to make ISK early on and does not take a big time commitment. Especially if you run across a really good loot drop that sells for 125 mil. I got one of those in a .5 system. Joining a corp will also help in a number of ways.
Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so. - Bertrand Russell
Pang Grohl
Gallente
I've been playing over a month now with around 1 million SP on two different characters on two different accounts. I set up one as a miner, the other one as a mission runner. Eventually I think they will both be lucrative but right now, I'm in a rut :( Lvl 2 missions are a joke but I can't afford a BC or BS to do lvl 3 missions. My miner has a retreiver but I can't spend a ton of time mining so the ISK payout right now isn't all that great.
In essence, I'm scraping by. I have 10 mill ISK banked total and it will take me another couple of weeks before I can even afford a single battle cruiser to run lvl 3 missions in. I am *hoping* that lvl 3 missions will pay enough that I can sustain myself better.
Anyone have any ideas for me? I'm really getting discouraged right now and I can easily see my skills out pacing my ability to earn ISK. Shouldn't it be the other way around?
Try doing something else for a while :). Ratting in low sec will pay equal or better than level 2 combat missions, and is much more interesting. Running level 2 combat missions in low sec space pays almost as well as level 3 missions in high sec space. Start focusing your skills towards tech 2 gear and you'll find that a battlecruiser isn't necessary for level 3 combat missions either.
Personally I would also consider focusing on one character to take best advantage of your play time.
Si non adjuvas, noces
(If you're not helping, you're hurting)
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
Edited by: Vyktor Abyss on 25/10/2006 01:34:12
It looks like fraud/theft or reselling are the quickest ways to get 'rich' these days!
From my point of view there appears to be a growing divide between the rich and mega-rich though...It seems to me that tech 2 BPO owners are mega-rich in a way the rest of us can only dream of given the massive profit margins in making most tech2 kit due to the constantly increasing demand.
Though how rich do you want to be? You'll only want more when you get 'rich'...Are those tech 2 BPO owners really happy? ;)
So long as you can get money for a battleship and dont risk losing it until you've 100% insured it...You've got enough toys for some truely thrilling gameplay!
The rest is just candifloss! (In my very humble opinion)
Talion Shar
Caldari
Free Corp
20 mil per mission? Are you sure you are playing Eve Online? 4-5 mil, WHEN YOU ARE LUCKY and don't farm the mission's respawns, is a more common number. Although if you include missions involving rogue drones, then you can indeed make something like 15 mil (They keep getting nerfed though. "Infiltrated Outposts" would net me 30 mil for the refined alloys. Farmed that one a lot... Good old days)
well i have to correct you, didn't checked your actual Game Age, but well training up Negotiation and all those extra Connection Skillbooks helps a lot to gain more ISK.
Always work for the highest lvl & best quality agent to earn the most out of lvl4's.
It's totally true that you can gain 10-20mill/mission.
The crappiest mission is duo of death lvl4, where you can get max 4mill, but thats completed really fast.
The other missions are close to 10mill average on bountys.
If you just 1-run Worlds Collide lvl4, just doing either the serp or the guristas way, you get approx 10-15mill on bountys, if you run both of them (incl respawn on 1st stage and 3rd stage, when you return through the gate back to 1st stage) you get 30-35mill just from the bountys. with loot its much more.
Infiltrated Outpost yields 14mill in alloys, if you farm that the minerals outcome from the alloys is totally random. you could get prob one day more, one day less.
Ok if you stay in system with high sec 1.0 - 0.8, you might get less isk, even if the agent you are working for is lvl4 q20.
Systems with lower sec yields more money on a lvl4 agent. more risk, more reward.
master bates
Amarr
Smoking Hillbillys
20 mil per mission? Are you sure you are playing Eve Online? 4-5 mil, WHEN YOU ARE LUCKY and don't farm the mission's respawns, is a more common number. Although if you include missions involving rogue drones, then you can indeed make something like 15 mil (They keep getting nerfed though. "Infiltrated Outposts" would net me 30 mil for the refined alloys. Farmed that one a lot... Good old days)well i have to correct you, didn't checked your actual Game Age, but well training up Negotiation and all those extra Connection Skillbooks helps a lot to gain more ISK.
Always work for the highest lvl & best quality agent to earn the most out of lvl4's.It's totally true that you can gain 10-20mill/mission.
The crappiest mission is duo of death lvl4, where you can get max 4mill, but thats completed really fast.
The other missions are close to 10mill average on bountys.
If you just 1-run Worlds Collide lvl4, just doing either the serp or the guristas way, you get approx 10-15mill on bountys, if you run both of them (incl respawn on 1st stage and 3rd stage, when you return through the gate back to 1st stage) you get 30-35mill just from the bountys. with loot its much more.
Infiltrated Outpost yields 14mill in alloys, if you farm that the minerals outcome from the alloys is totally random. you could get prob one day more, one day less.
Ok if you stay in system with high sec 1.0 - 0.8, you might get less isk, even if the agent you are working for is lvl4 q20.
Systems with lower sec yields more money on a lvl4 agent. more risk, more reward.
/emote shakes talions hand
thank you talion.
the lvl4 agent i use is for the sarum family based in nakri, he is quality 15, and pays on average 1 mill for reward and 1 mill for bonus, sometimes dropping to 800k +800k, and sometimes going up to 1.5 + 1.5 mill
and normally the bounties total up to around 6-7 mill on average and the mineral value of the loot can boost it up to ten mill, the missions like infiltrated outposts do boost thata considerably.
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Kano Sekor
Amarr
S-44
Tre Kroner
Ive read in the mining thread that if you have an apoc fitted for mining mercoxite specifically you can get an incom of about 168 million isk /hour and thats not counting the rats bounties that you have to have some guy clearing out for you.
But then you have to refine it and sell it and so on
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Veldspar
Tunajuice
0.0 osprey mining will take you from the 4 mil or so for the osprey, to 100 mil.. in a week or two, depending how your luck goes. Can't really beat that for newb cash earning.
